Sunday, March 22, 2009

Lucky Lanciano - Proof of Transubstantiation!

For those who are not aware, transubstantiation is a basic tenet of the Roman Catholic Church. It was defined by the Council of Trent in 1551 as follows:

"And because that Christ, our Redeemer, declared that which He offered under the species of bread to be truly His own body, therefore has it ever been a firm belief in the Church of God, and this holy Synod doth now declare it anew, that, by the consecration of the bread and of the wine, a conversion is made of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord, and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of His blood; which conversion is, by the holy Catholic Church, suitably and properly called Transubstantiation."

Being a sucker for intellectual punishment, I have followed up on the Christian Apologist's suggestion that I check out the "Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano" in response to my suggestion that the doctrine of transubstantiation is lunacy. Perhaps the most concise description I have found apparently comes from a book entitled This Is My Body, This Is My Blood Miracles of the Eucharist - Book I by Bob and Penny Lord:

A Basilian monk, wise in the ways of the world, but not in the ways of faith, was having a trying time with his belief in the real presence of Our Lord Jesus in the Eucharist. He prayed constantly for relief from his doubts, and from the fear that he was losing his vocation. He suffered through the routine of his priesthood day after day, with these doubts gnawing at him.

The situation in the world did not help strengthen his faith. There were many heresies cropping up all the time, which kept chipping away at his faith. They were not all from outside the church either. Brother priests and bishops were victims of these heresies, and they were being spread throughout the church. This priest couldn't seem to help being more and more convinced by the logic of these heresies, especially the one concerning his particular problem, the physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.

One morning, while he was having a strong attack of doubt, he began the Consecration of the Mass for the people of the town. He used the same size host which is used in the Latin Rite masses today. What he beheld as he consecrated the bread and wine caused his hands to shake, indeed his whole body. He stood for a long time with his back to the people, and then slowly turned around to them.

He said: "O fortunate witnesses to whom the Blessed God, to confound my disbelief, has wished to reveal Himself in this Most Blessed Sacrament and to render Himself visible to our eves. Come, brethren, and marvel at our God so close to us. Behold the Flesh and Blood of our most beloved Christ."

The host had turned into Flesh. The wine had turned into Blood.

The people, having witnessed the miracle for themselves, began to wail, asking for forgiveness, crying for mercy. Others began beating their breasts, confessing their sins, declaring themselves unworthy to witness such a miracle. Still others went down on their knees in respect, and thanksgiving for the gift the Lord had bestowed on them. All spread the story throughout the town and surrounding villages.

Jesus even allowed Himself to be crucified again. After the miracle, the Host was pinned down to a wooden board, so that when it dried, it would not curl up, as scabbed flesh does. So here He was again, with nails in His Body, nailed to a piece of wood.

The miracle that occurred in 700 was just the beginning. That was 1250 years ago. Had that miracle taken place, and then the flesh and blood disintegrated, as would have been normal, the miracle would have been none the less a miracle. The priest's faith had been renewed. The entire town, the whole country for that matter, became aware of the miracle. Pilgrims flocked to Lanciano to venerate the Host turned flesh. Belief in the Eucharist had been reborn. The gift from the Lord was complete.

But that's not all. The miracle is ongoing. The Host-turned-Flesh, and the Wine-turned-Blood, without the use of any form of preservative, is still present in the reliquary. In 1574 testing was done on the Flesh and Blood and an unexplainable phenomenon was discovered. The five pellets of coagulated Blood are different sizes and shapes. But any combination weighs the same as the total. In other words, 1 weighs the same as 2, 2 weigh the same as 3, and 3 weigh the same as 5.

From the very beginning, the local church accepted this miracle as a true sign from heaven, and venerated the Eucharistic Flesh and Blood in processions on its feast day, the last Sunday of October. The fame of the shrine spread throughout the region quickly, and soon all of Italy came to the Church in Pilgrimage.

Analysis of Still Existing Evidence

A pilgrim, born and baptised Catholic, shared with his convert wife, after venerating the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, "I never believed in the physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. To me, it was strictly `in memory of Him'. Now, I truly believe that my Jesus comes alive to me personally in the Consecrated Host that I consume at Holy Mass."

On one occasion, after the priest had shown all our pilgrims the Eucharistic Miracle, he came down to the foot of the altar, and made the following observation:

"Remember, this miracle that you are witnessing now, and that you have traveled so far to witness, happens every day in every church in the world, at the consecration of the Mass."

How many tests have been made over the years, how many times Our Dear Lord Jesus allows Himself to be prodded and cut, examined under microscopes, and photographed. The most recent, an extensive scientific research done in 1970, used the most modern scientific tools available. The results of the tests are as follows:

The flesh is real flesh. The blood is real blood.

The flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart (myocardium)

The flesh and blood belong to the human species.

The flesh and blood have the same blood type (AB).

In the blood, there were found proteins in the same normal proportions as are found in the scro-proteic make up of fresh, normal blood.

In the blood, there were also found these minerals: Chlorides, phosphorous, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.

The preservation of the flesh and of the blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries (without any chemical preservatives) and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.

As part of this most recent investigation, the following comment was made: "Though it is alien to my task strictly speaking, I feel I should insert the following reflection into the study just completed: the clarification, which comes through in these studies, of the nature of the flesh gives little support to the hypothesis of a `fraud' perpetrated centuries ago. As a matter of fact supposing that the heart may have been taken from a cadaver, I maintain that only a hand experienced in anatomic dissection would have been able to obtain from a hollow internal organ such a uniform cut (as can still be glimpsed in the flesh)."

What the doctor, a scientist and not a theologian, is saying in simple language is that although it's not his task to speculate, it would have been difficult, next to impossible, for anyone to have cut a slice of the heart in the way that it was done. He also states that it's highly doubtful that there was any fraud involved.

Another unusual characteristic of the blood is that when liquified, it has retained the chemical properties of freshly shed blood. When we cut ourselves and stain our clothes, the chemical properties of the blood are gone within 20 minutes to a half hour. If blood is not refrigerated within an hour maximum, the composition rapidly breaks down. If blood were taken from a dead body, it would lose its qualities quickly through decay. This blood is over 1250 years old and still contains all its properties, chemicals and protein of freshly shed blood. And yet in the testing, it was determined that no preservatives of any kind were found in the blood.

This is amazing. I just have a couple questions that perhaps someone can help me with:
  1. The testing completed (apparently by scientists commisioned by the Vatican) is silent on the stunning "any combination weighs the same as the total" discovered in 1574. The reason why it is silent on this point is because, of course, it is total bullshit. If that finding can be clinically replicated in 2009, I will shut down this site immediately.
  2. After considering everything which is alleged to have occurred, I am reminded of David Hume's line of reasoning with respect to supposed miracles - see the post entitled Back to the atheist basics .... Hume on Miracles. Which is more likely in this case? A. Someone slipped in some heart tissue and blood; or B. Transubstantiation (i.e. miraculous transformation of cracker and wine into flesh and blood). I think I know where I would place my money.
  3. One would think that the Vatican would be very interested to have DNA testing carried out on the tissue to see if it is human and, if so, to trace the mitochondrial DNA. Oh, but they wouldn't want to do that. If the tissue was human and the DNA could be traced, we would have the means to trace the genetic origins of the person who supplied that sample back for millenia before the supposed immaculate conception. Once you start considering the implications of a modern scientific investigations of this supposed miracle, you start to see why the Roman Catholic Church is not at all anxious to go down this road.


  1. I will start working to replicate that finding in order to shut your site down. It may take me a while.

    And stop calling me CKDC - I have changed my call name to Jesus Christ Superstar.

    What does the Pope think about that crazy bitch in the USA that just had another 50 kids born (I'm rounding up, okay)? Miracle?


  2. "The miracle is ongoing. The Host-turned-Flesh, and the Wine-turned-Blood, without the use of any form of preservative, is still present in the reliquary."

    So if the bread and wine was the same flesh and blood every Sunday as the crackers and wine are supposed to be (yeah, right), why didn't the Catholics 1250 years ago eat and drink it like they were supposed to?

  3. actually there has been modern testing done on modern Eucharistic miracles please check this out:

    a book called "reasons to believe" goes more in depth about testing that has been done.

  4. One Question: The modern testing, was this done by a neutral party with no religous affiliation or someone that had connections with the church.

    Point being, if any person does this testing they must be open to all possiblities yet critical of the facts.

    1. Yes.. It was sent out blind study to 3 labs in the U.S., all coming back as human blood AB-, heart tissue. An Atheist specialist on Heart (few areas, to which he is internationally recognized expert, just Can't recall the proper medical titles, but available if you search, and then search his name to confirm). He examined the Host (not knowing it to be a Consecrated Host), and also concluded as the other scientists, but added that it is part of the right atria heart muscle, but then shocked, mentioned, "this heart muscle is beating under my microscope! HOW did you bring me a heart muscle which is still beating!?!".. Of course he was told, and not believing, showed the evidence.. Yep.. He is no longer an atheist..

  5. I Will tell you something: to question the Transformation of The Most Blessed Sacrament is BLASPHEMY!!! your site only proves even more so how REAL His Body and Blood are in The Eucharist. I am a catholic, so i know what i am talking about. I didn'r grow up Catholic, so you can't say i have been endoctrinated!!!! The LORD Revealed the Truth of The Sacrament to me in a dream, where He also exlained how Persona Christi can be taken on by a woman. This is why i am Anglican Catholic and not Roman Rite. What i believe is not a herasy, its the Truth of God that has been Revealed unto me. The Eucharist IS His Body and Blood, so accept it or dont be Catholic. Go join the protestant Anglicans hwho follow whatever king henry vIII decided he wanted to believe!!! Now that's herasy!!! But you know what? As long as you accept Jesus, you are Saved. Anyone who is reading this: believe and you will be Saved!!!

    1. I am a too am a Catholic. I have never heard of an Anglican Catholic so I will have to look into it. But my only point in posting this is to say that you need to rethink your way of posting. Your words are not charitable at all and charity and love (with logic of course) is what makes an argument. When you come on like you did, it just annoys people. Already being convinced of the miracle, your comment did nothing for me. Actually, it is comments like this that discredit the whole topic.

  6. The ironic thing about the argument from miracles is that, being the most powerful of arguments, it is the one precisely that the atheist is most unwilling to accept, no matter how good the evidence is (in this case, hundreds upon hundreds of Eucharistic miracles with dozens of them having been documented and even scientifically tested.) The lesson here is that anyone predisposed to not believe will find a way to contradict and remain in unbelief. *shrugs*

  7. i'm a 21 year old female. I was raised catholic but never quite understood anything about the faith to be honest. I didn't hardly listen in church, didn't go to confession... just believed in God and thought be nice, forgiving, etc..and didn't go to church once i was 18 ish... well to my dismay, i came to find from personal experience that in the generation we live in.. there are people practicing a lot of things with powers from something other than God... because of my exposure to this in oblivion working in different areas of the entertainment industry... i got to experience the hard truth of Jesus in the Eucharist when i was scared to death and went to church in complete fear after having demonic attacks. After taking the body of Christ... my body simultaneously rotted and my arms hung dead weight and a feeling of empty death encompassed my body... it was the eeriest scariest feeling of my life... Jesus is real, and is present in the Eucharist..after months of actually opening up the bible and comprehending the faith, how quickly i learned I was really not in a good place..and of how much I had offended him(all the while thinking i"m a good person)... and really not aware to the spiritual warfare that is in place today... Fear God.. and by God I mean with Jesus in heaven... cause there is alot of people claiming God or gods but its like well who are you referring to? of satan's plots is getting people to be to people who fear God(they're the one's that contain some type of wisdom).. i don't get the point of having an atheism forum/missionary to be honest, does it give you fufillment? i'm honestly sincerely curious the type of fufillment it gives you?... why does someone go out of their way to prove something wrong that is first of all supposed to be completely incomprehensible/overpowering by definition.. but most of all something that they haven't spent years seeking out in actions and from the heart ...and if you look up faith in any dictionary its not arguing words from a bible.. its you in retrospect to your soul and where its going when you die and the shape it's in currently without Jesus... God is simple- love in action... atheist stuff just seems like angry people arguing(give me more proof or i won't beleive).. Jesus doesn't need us.. we need him..that's the whole point.. go talk to people who witness people at the moment of death.. listen to testimonies of people who used to practice psychic divination and convert to forms of christianity.. listen to testimonies of people who actually admit to worshipping satan and their moment of divine to children( God's presence is amongst their innocence and lack of care for worldly things that dont matter) the documentary/film about darwin and how his wife was super religious and would tell him he's at war with God.. most importantly though, open a bible yourself and ask Jesus to come into your probably havent felt his presence because a skeptic is approaching him from the mind(not an open heart).... why waste time making a website like this when you could go help someone else with a loving action... and the catholic church doesn't need to try Jesus in a manner as to trace the DNA linneage of the consecrated host.. that is in no manner reverance to the Lord and defiles the Churches teachings.. lastly, i thought my speil might help, i don't want anyone to be without Jesus when it comes down to it.. read about soul-ties too.. i never thought about the soul in that manner.. but when you do it helps you piece it helps you realize you want your soul to be with Jesus before your moment of death

  8. can you check this fishy one out, too. thanks.

  9. Believers have no reason to trace the DNA. If there is any omission here, it is on the side of the skeptics who would rather cavil about how this whole thing COULD be a hoax then do some tests to prove that it is. And we have the gall to say that the Church is afraid of what they would find. . .

  10. So where does the cracker turn into human flesh? In the mouth, throat, stomach, small intestines, large intestines or the toilet? I propose a very simple test: retrieve the cracker from a Catholics body, send it in for DNA testing, and see if any human DNA (other than the person who ate it) can be detected on the remains of the cracker.
    I suspect when the Catholic church came up with the doctrine that the cracker transforms into actual human flesh, that there wouldn't be any way for any one to verify their claim. Now that we have the technology, why don't one of you Catholics, cough up some christ flesh, submit it for DNA testing and prove once and for all the your church tells the truth. I suspect you know that your church's ideas would not stand up to scientific scrutiny; so you'd never have the guts to try and prove your church right; for fear that you'd prove them wrong. As Mark Twain said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so."

    1. The species is transubstanciated during the mass, the priest quotes the bible and calls upon Jesus and the spirit to come (basically) part of the miracle is that the species (bread or wine) stay in the visual sence the same (unless a more rebound miracle like the one listed here occures and it is visibly different) is live to chat brother. God<3You

  11. Atheists are the epitome of intellectual dishonesty. Even if you give them thousands of documented cases of Eucharistic Miracles, the NASA analysis of the tilma in the Virgin of Guadalupe or the myriads of documented Marian apparitions, they keep on lying and lying to themselves or others that evidence of God does not exist. Instead of being lazy nihillists who try (in vain) demolishing and attacking our positive proofs for our true religion why not create proofs of your own?

    Atheists I dare you. Disprove the Fatima apparitions (published in 7 newspapers 3 of whom are atheists who claim that it was a hoax but still put up the photos anyway), disprove the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, disprove the incorruptible bodies of Saint Teresa de Avila, Saint Padre Pio and myriads of other saints, and even try to disprove the huge body of work (of former Atheists who saw the light) such as C.S. Lewis or Anthony Flew.

    Lunciano, Guadalupe, C.S Lewis. I dare you, you can't even successfully argue against the last one.

    1. ”Atheists are the epitome of intellectual dishonesty.”

      No. It is you who are the epitome of gullibility.

      You don't understand what scientific evidence is. For example, there is nothing in the analysis that Dr. Linoli did that proves a miracle occurred.

  12. Atheists will believe what they want. I weep for their lost souls. God is real heven is & so is hell. Take a chance what do you have to lose. You don't believe & then you get to hell & burn for all eternity. Save yourself. Dont be stupid

    1. Atheists will believe what is well proven. Isn't that the most sensible? Otherwise things become way too arbitrary. Faith is arbitrary. There are several religions in this world and each follower of every one claim that they are right.

  13. You call yourself the atheist missionary.. Your writings suggest you are on a mission based on the pursuit of Truth.. to bring light to the falsehoods of Catholicism, universal Christianity.
    However wouldn't you agree, one must First need understand a topic, a belief, before one can even begin to credibly confirm nor deny it's truth? For how silly would it be - for anyone - to even have an opinion on a subject they have yet to study or understand.
    And here you are taking on the incredible: 'the created' becoming 'The Creator'. Clearly a most difficult topic for the most learned theologians.
    Yet you fail to grasp even the most fundamental teachings of The Church. You must of course first know your subject before you can form any opinion on it.
    I hope you will take some time to study Catholicism and It's true teachings before you continue onward.
    I hope this and pages like it do indeed stem from a desire for truth. Little else is more important.
    But you must study further and not resort to assumptions, esp. in matters of Truth.

    'The Immaculate Conception' does not describe Jesus' conception. This wrongful assumption is used by those who have no real understanding of Catholicism or basic Christianity. You may not believe IN The Immaculate Conception, but you first again, must at least Know what it is you are disagreeing with.
    The Immaculate Conception is a term used to describe Mary, not Jesus. The general public who know little to nothing of true Church teachings will make such a reference. However it only acts as a beacon to self ignorance. An ignorance based hearing the words 'conception' and 'immaculate' and guessing at the rest. If you truly have a heart that searches for truth... then you must begin with yourself. Do not state lies as if they were facts. Fight such ignorance with knowledge. And pray. God will show you The Truth if only you would ask Him. Everything else is folly my friend. Imagine: The created becoming The Creator. It's amazing when you seek the truth and indeed He shows it to you.
    Peace my friend

  14. There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church." [The Venerable and Most Reverend Fulton John Sheen]

    1. Count me among the 100 then. Like King David, I hate every evil way.

  15. I'm shocked that an atheist would accept the findings of a vatican scientist,,,Do you really have that much faith in the scientific community that you will believe them even when they are commissioned by the vatican? ,,,Don't you think that vatican scientists are just a little tiny bit bias?

    I'm a christian, but Personally, I'd want a second opinion from an outside, unbiased source before I would even entertain the idea that this story is true.

    And I'd want to examine this "host" myself. Id also want to talk to both of the guys who performed these tests and find out what tests they used to determine their findings. I'd want to look them in the eyes and interrogate them because you never know if someone is paid off. I want to see if I detect any lying on their part.

    It's not like heart tissue was laying around all over the place in the 1700s, so I dont believe the host was switched for heart tissue, but I think its probably a moldy piece of bread that bears some red pigmentation.

    I think the people who are looking at it and examining it want to believe its flesh and blood (God only knows why) but I think they want to believe it so badly that they see what they want to see.

    I'm a christian like I said, but all this talk of flesh and blood in my bread kind of freaks me out lol I just cant see why God would manifest the heart of Jesus in a piece of bread. It makes no sense to me because eating blood is forbidden by the Torah.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely dismissing the miracle, I'm leaving a little space for my own bias... I mean maybe I'm rejecting it just because I think its gross,,, so I am open to accepting it IF I can talk to the people who examined it and verify that its not mold and if I can verify the scientists who examined it are unbiased credible men, but as it stands now I dont buy it. The Jury is still out in my mind.

  16. If God isn't real, then why are you spending so much of your time proving His nonexistence? Are there any websites out there proving the nonexistence of Easter bunnies?