
The Christian Missionary posed a question this morning which I felt was worthy of a post of its own: Do atheists believe in anything or is there absolutely nothing that is true?
My answer to this question has been greatly informed by a series of lectures by University of Miami philosophy professor Colin McGinn entitled: The Modern Scholar: Discovering the Philosopher in You which I highly recommend. The first lecture on skepticism is available for free on iTunes.
The second lecture discusses "What is knowledge?" and explains that we generally accept that knowledge is a justified belief which is true.
My answer to this question has been greatly informed by a series of lectures by University of Miami philosophy professor Colin McGinn entitled: The Modern Scholar: Discovering the Philosopher in You which I highly recommend. The first lecture on skepticism is available for free on iTunes.
The second lecture discusses "What is knowledge?" and explains that we generally accept that knowledge is a justified belief which is true.
The third lectures tackles the meaning of "What is truth?". McGinn explains that there are three theories of truth: the coherence theory, the utility theory and the correspondence theory. The coherence theory of truth states that the truth of any (true) proposition consists in its coherence with some specified set of propositions (i.e. something is true if it fits in with a set of beliefs which are accepted as true). Of course, the obvious problem with the coherence theory is that all the other propositions might be false. The utility theory of truth suggests that something is true (for example, jumping off a building will hurt me) by judging its utility. Again, it is easy to see this is wrong because it is the fact that something is true that makes it useful and not vice versa.
The accepted theory of truth is the correspondence theory which is the one that most people intuitively accept. The correspondence theory states that the truth or falsity of a statement is determined only by how it relates to the world and whether it accurately describes (i.e., corresponds with) that world. To use McGinn's example, I believe that I see a glass of water sitting next to me. Is that statement true? It is true if there actually is a glass of water there. Now I could be mistaken or I could be dreaming - it may be impossible for me to determine with 100% certainty whether that glass of water is there or not. However, the issue of whether one can determine truth is different than defining it.
So, after all that, I will answer the Christian Missionary's question as simply as I can. Atheists, as skeptics, believe in very little with absolute certainty. Most of us have confidence in a priori knowledge (i.e. knowledge which exists independent of experience, such as the laws of logic and mathematics). Despite residual uncertainty with respect to experiential a posteriori knowledge, we are quite content to lead our lives fairly certain that we are not brains in a vat or living in a matrix. We rely on the scientific method to explain nature to us, the origins of the universe and how life has evolved on earth. We don't have all the answers and may never have all the answers.
I have no difficulty with people longing for eternity or the concept of a supernatural creator. What concerns me is that devout Christians appear to have shut off their reasoning senses when it comes to God and the Bible. Most of them know perfectly well that almost anything is possible from a theoretical perspective. Most also know perfectly well that it is possible that there is no God (I would strongly disagree with them on the likelihood of the proposition). They are just unwilling to ponder about that possibility and what effect it would have on their lives because it goes to the core of their beings. I, for one, firmly believe that the Christian Missionary would not live his life any different if I could convince him that it is extremely likely there is no God aside from the fact that he would have alot of extra time on his hands.
Rick Warren certainly believes that he and his brethren would lead different lives if they did not believe in God. That is why I will have plenty to say about his chapter 6 of The Purpose Driven Life which is entitled: Life Is a Temporary Assignment. That instalment will be coming up shortly.
As always, thanks for tuning in.



Great job on this one, I truly believe you were quite coherant in your description of Athiest. I am speaking from a perspective of Christian faith, I concur as well that Christianity as a whole at times does seem to argue void of reasoning or logic. It no longer serves to perpetuate Christianity by merely stating "the bible says so". It serves no purpose to reamain ignorant of other belief systems. We must intellectualize ourselves to be able to defend our faith on facts, propositions, truth claims, and use structured arguments based on premises leading to conclusion, outside the scope of "the bible says so".
ReplyDeleteWhat I tend to disagree with is the manufactured science. The truth claims science supposedly has that in reality science does not. I believe evolution, yes, takes faith or a belief in something that is not imperical(a priori). It is also a belief in an unverifiable system, but the belief system is void of anything supernatural, which makes it more palatable by those who are not Theists. My belief system, yes, is at the very core of my being. When I say being I am speaking of the dualistic view of being, that of a material and non-material state. It is hard for me to conceptualize a belief in, I do not want to say nothing, because some Aethiest believe in evolution without the scientific proofs and verifications, but in nothing other than just, us, as a material being, nothing else.
I am a touch confused about the statement, and I'm not trying to pick out faults, I think you composed a great piece. and explained your belief well in, as you stated, simplistic form.
In reference to a relying on scientific method.
Like I stated before, you said we may not have all of the answers. I beg to differ. Science has given us relatively no imperical evidence of the origins of the universe and how life has evolved on earth. Never-the -less it is constantly claiming it does. Is there no acountability?
David, I take issue with your assertion that: Science has given us relatively no imperical evidence of the origins of the universe and how life has evolved on earth..
ReplyDeleteThe scientific method has reliably informed us that the universe as we know it was created from a big bang from a point of singularity. At the point of singularity, all of our known laws of time and space appear to break down. To date, the scientific method has not explained what caused the big bang although I must admit that the conjecture of a continually expanding and contracting universe appeals to me.
The scientific method has also reliably proven the fact of evolution. If you have any doubt in this regard, I urge you to read Jerry Coyne's Why Evolution is True. Indeed, I would be willing to argue that evolution, as a process, has almost entered the realm of a priori knowledge. However, what the scientific method has yet to explain is the origin of the first biological replicators.
Why does God get the default for what science cannot yet (and perhaps may never fully) explain?
My firm opinion is that relying on God as the supernatural answer to the origins of the universe and life as we know it is simply lazy. However, it is hard to argue with someone who looks up at the sky and says: "there must be something greater than me that created all of this". I can usually answer just as simplistically: "no there doesn't" or as Christopher Hitchens smartly put it: "what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
Your comment: Christianity as a whole at times does seem to argue void of reasoning or logic comes close to being accurate. I would just replace the words "at times" with "always". Let's call an ace an ace and a spade a spade. Christianity is based on the belief that Jesus existed (logically possible), died (again logically possible), rose from the dead (logically impossible) and was God in the flesh (too whacked out to even start talking about logic). If I live to be 100, I don't think I will ever understand how educated people like yourself can believe these myths. I can understand why you might want to believe but surely, if you reflect on it, you will appreciate it is the definition of delusion. I just don't get it ....
David, I also can't resist responding to your comment: We must intellectualize ourselves to be able to defend our faith on facts, propositions, truth claims, and use structured arguments based on premises leading to conclusion, outside the scope of "the bible says so".
ReplyDeleteI applaud you for that statement and, if you would spare me a few minutes, please read the two following posts by Stephen Law:
http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2007/02/atheism-faith-position-too.html
http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2007/02/atheism-faith-position.html
So where is the half-decent argument for God's existence? If you are unable to provide one, I agree with Law when he concludes that you can't consistently maintain that your belief is "not unreasonable". Please don't refer to "mystery"!!
I was all excited to hear there were only 3 theories of truth. Three, I can handle.
ReplyDeleteThe coherence theory and utility theory make sense to me. But your favorite theory : correspondence theory, seems to simply say, "I know there is truth, sure I may not be able to measure it (utility) or see if it is consistent (coherence) but I BELIEVE it is there."
Seems like your type of Atheist believe in something !
I'd caution you on generalizing what Atheists believe in.
Nice writing style , by the way.
"The mark of a genuine idea is that its possibility can be proved, either a priori by conceiving its cause or reason, or a posteriori when experience teaches us that it is a fact in natue".
ReplyDeleteGoittfried Leibniz, 1670
Sabio, you are right to admonish me for generalizing atheist beliefs. We are united in our skepticism of religion and that is about it. Thanks for setting me straight.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this very helpful comment, TAM. I haven´t gone into the definitions of truth so far, so this is really very interesting and answers some of my doubts. Having chewed a little on the concepts, I try to apply this to theism (of course). I was thinking: what is my thruth theory? According to my sunday school answer, no question for me, God´s existence is "true". But, what kind of truth is this, is the question that i find an intriguing one.
ReplyDeleteI best see it reflected in the coherence theory, as I set some propositions according to what I believe is true.
Example: Jesus rose from the dead. According to my propositions this is a priori impossible (no dead arose except in some scary movies). But what is the alternative? His disciples hid the body and tried to make people believe that Jesus arose. What for? They didn´t get the Jesus copyright or anything. All of them except John were murdered for this "lie" and didn´t retract? Now, my propositions tell me that you will hardly find a group of people KNOWING FOR SURE they "believe" in a lie and are WILLING TO DIE FOR IT with the greates naturallity. Now, could it be that 120 people (check Acts 1:8) from different backgrounds and social levels are deluded exactly at the same time in the same way? Why would all of them accept something that unrealistic simultaneously? That is quite unlikely. One explanation is that they all saw Christ risen as they claim. All theist willing to die at least believe that what they think is true. Muslim martyrs will wait for their 70 virgins at the end of the tunnel after dying.
This is one reasoning, there are more. Put them all together and I, according to my propositions, find it acceptable to believe in the Bible. My reasoning is not shut off in any way. There are just some incompatibilities that I need to bring together in the most sensible way. Accepting this (crazy) proposition that Jesus rose again, everything starts making sense. Now, if all the propositions break down, this would need to change. But, what would be left?
I am still chewing on all this. But I want to thank for all the interesting comments and all the effort TAM puts in this. I find all this very exciting and I am learning a lot.
Atheist Missionary:
ReplyDeleteYou're obviously a nice guy, but I still say you should've taken STRONG issue with David's ridiculous "assertion" that "science has given us relatively no imperical evidence of the origins of the universe and how life has evolved on earth." I fully agree with Dawkins that this kind of insulting garbage shouldn't be "treated with kid gloves." I am generally indifferent to religious types (I avoid them) but not when I hear this pathetic "talking point" that will seemingly never disappear. Even Miller and Collins would take issue with such an idiotic statement. And it says a lot when one misspells "empirical".
A friend who holds a PhD. in Philosophy and is happy to call himself an Atheist, says the problem is with the word "belief." We have to make it clear that we Atheists have NO religious, spiritual or supernatural beliefs. It is not something we possess, it is a LACK of possession. Likely why religious types think they have something on us. But even a great and vocal defender of rationalism and skepticism like Bill Maher, is doing harm by accepting a false definition of Atheism, that being, it is simply the flip side of the religious coin. Saying "I do not believe in God (or Jesus or Muhammad or Thor or Odin)" is preferable and not the equivalent of saying, "I believe there is no God." He encourages us to limit our use of the word belief, and as skeptics, we should strive to have as few beliefs (secular) as possible. A belief is simply a thought, a thought originates in the mind, and the mind is merely a quality of the material brain. Though of course, there are those of religious and spiritual faith who BELIEVE this not to be true. Good luck with that. ;-)
BTW, great blog. Colin McGinn doesn't get enough respect for not only affirming his Atheism but his anti-theism.
"What concerns me is that devout Atheists appear to have shut off their reasoning senses when it comes to God and the Bible. Most of them know perfectly well that almost anything is possible from a theoretical perspective. Most also know perfectly well that it is possible that there IS a God. They are just unwilling to ponder about that possibility and what effect it would have on their lives because it goes to the core of their beings. I, for one, firmly believe that the Atheist Missionary would not live his life any different if I could convince him that it is extremely likely there IS God aside from the fact that he would have very little extra time on his hands.
ReplyDeleteHosanna, you are surely the "highest". Atheists realize that it is possible that there is a God. We are willing to consider the alternative while most theists are not. We would not live our lives any differently if there was a supernatural creator. The chances of the Biblical God existing are far more remote than a celestial teapot orbiting the earth. However, if that nasty bugger exists, he can kiss my ass.
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